光辉岁月：JBL 控制监听箱的前世今生

i886

原帖由 男孩好东东 于 2011-7-23 09:36 发表
缺点文采呀886兄-_-

莫见怪啊, 书到用时方恨少, 我从来都不是个书生~ [s:18][s:97]
你觉得好看, 有组积, 就请继续支持!

i886

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从搜查录音室监听箱的历史与演化过程中, 你会发现, 4310/4311/L100具有鲜明的声音个性: 给力、动态、前冲只是人们最常用描述. 然而, 这系列就从来都没被JBL 设计成精准的音箱, 尤其是4310, 就是特意设计模仿ALTEC 604E而来, 只不过是做成书架箱而已. 从40年代中旬开始, 604E就是那个时代的录音工业的标准, 几乎占进了所有的录音室, 也统治录音监听箱市场将近20年. 然而604E却以非平直的响应曲线著称: 凸起的中频、最高端有滚降、略有限制的低频响应, 这完全是市场导向的结果, 因为很多录音工程师认为凸出的中频非常有用, 强化了关键的人声频段.

你我皆欲收藏, 老爷级同轴王 ALTEC 604E


4310 算是个短命型号, 当JBL发觉书架式监听箱赢尽口碑, 就火速来个企业改革. 网上有说 L100 是 4311的民用版. 其实这已不大重要了, 开发部除了立马研究L100的生产外, 同时亦改进更音准的 4311. 两手准备并差不多同时间各自推出市场.

临兵斗者皆阵列在前: 左 4311, L100A, L100, 4310


4311由于更小型化, 给近场监听提供了更大的灵活性, 甚至可以放置在控制台上, 因而成为了下一个录音工业标准. 哈~[s:97] [s:17]  更令 JBL 喜出望外的是 L100 Century 居然也大卖, 抓正”半导体立体声”发飚的趋势, 刚好70年代的到来, 摇滚乐全面的兴起, JBL开始统治录音棚, 盛名直卷全世界.

martin_wu

原帖由 i886 于 2011-7-23 20:09 发表
从搜查录音室监听箱的历史与演化过程中, 你会发现, 4310/4311/L100具有鲜明的声音个性: 给力、动态、前冲只是人们最常用描述. 然而, 这系列就从来都没被JBL 设计成精准的音箱, 尤其是4310, 就是特意设计模仿ALTEC 60 ...

靠，完全是抄袭我的译文:funk: [s:14]
现在来看，给力这个词用的不错[s:97]

i886

如有雷同, 实属巧合~ [s:97]   Martin 师兄莫见怪!
网上搜的文章资料, 大都给前人翻译得怪怪的, 惊见 " 给力 "二字, 还以为翻译日文的怎会懂这个潮语, 原来是师兄翻的, 失敬,失敬!

martin_wu

原帖由 i886 于 2011-7-23 20:28 发表
如有雷同, 实属巧合~ [s:97]   Martin 师兄莫见怪!
网上搜的文章资料, 大都给前人翻译得怪怪的, 惊见 " 给力 "二字, 还以为翻译日文的怎会懂这个潮语, 原来是师兄翻的, 失敬,失敬!

请继续爆料，共缅。

i886

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这一节是要说4311了~ [s:97]
早前有网友问过, 为啥JBL音箱没有一款上过发烧榜?
有的, 很给力的4311就上了MIX 榜, 入了“典堂级神器堂TECnology Hall-of-Fame”.
MIX 是个世界性专业录音刊物, 这典堂奖是肯定该优越产品的贡献及留下经典的历史记号!


http://mixonline.com/TECnology-Hall-of-Fame/
TECnology Hall of Fame
1974 JBL 4311 Studio MonitorsSep 1, 2006 2:52 PM

Once upon a time—meaning about 30 years ago—monitors in U.S. studios were either custom designs (typically developed from JBL or Altec components), Altec 604E coaxials in “utility” cabinets or JBL’s large 4320 two-way horn systems. Based on the success of the 4320s, which had been designed with Capitol Studios and later developed a worldwide following, even being adopted as the standard studio monitor for Britain’s EMI, JBL began looking into other studio products to expand its market share. The answer was the 4310, a high-powered three-way, all-cone system that was small enough to be suspended or placed on a shelf or console top.

The 4310 was a hit, but some at JBL felt that the 4310’s popularity in the consumer realm would dilute its appeal to professionals. The 4310 then morphed into the L100, a hugely successful home product with the cool sculpted foam grilles; and JBL developed the 4311—an “all-pro” successor to the 4310.

The 4311 was built ground-up to be a “studio” monitor: It was available in textured gray or walnut finishes; the 12-inch 2213 cast-frame woofer had a 3-inch voice coil and a beefy 6.5-pound magnet structure; the 1.4-inch cone/dome tweeter had a foam surround to reduce diffraction effects; and it had easy-access, front panel presence and brilliance controls. But the 4311 had one feature not found on any of JBL’s home speakers: Offering tightly clustered components that provided coherent imaging when the speakers were used in close-in listening, the 4311 was ideal for near-field applications such as meter bridge placement. In a matter of years, survey after survey from trade magazines noted that JBL monitors consistently led all others in its share of the studio monitor market.

头两段和早前说的差不多, 我就把尾段直译如下:

4311打从一开始就是个不折不扣的“录音棚监听音箱”, 外观有细灰白或桃木贴皮; 12寸的 2213 是个铸铁外框, 3寸大音圈加个给力的6.5磅磁钢的低音单元; 还有个1.4寸园顶纸盘高音, 外围了泡沫物科以减少衍射效应; 前面板设有触手可及聪明控制旋钮.
唯独可惜的是4311特有的优点并没装进其他任何一款 JBL 民用版音箱里, 就是紧溱的单元排列, 管做出一个“近场监听”仍可拥有的凝聚音场, 4311是个理想的“一米距离箱距”呤听空间下的监听音箱.
几经岁月, 历尽无数次被上榜杂志的测评, JBL仍持续带领及雄据录音棚监听音箱的市场地位.

i886

继续~ [s:97]
说到L100, 要讨论的议题还挺多的.
网上谈得多的是如何摩改?
如何打做新的 JBL声音Coast to Coast Sound?
但我见一个论坛的议题甚是有趣, 截下来看:

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=vintage&m=197833

how much would you have to spend to get a better NEW speaker
要花多少钱来做对更好的“新”音箱

The L-100 was a late 60's, early 70'sspeaker and sold for $550/pair at that time. The cost ofliving index has risen by 5:1 over that time period, so today you'd belooking at $2750 for similar build quality.

Also, the two cubic foot "bookshelf" format has pretty well goneaway, being replaced by tower speakers with multiple smaller woofers to get aslimmer profile.

The technology has also changed a lot. The L-100's crossover was two capacitorsto blend in the midrange and tweeter. A modern design would have many moreelements in the crossover, and probably would not have the L-pads for mid andtweeter level control. A modern design would also use a dome tweeter, and wouldhave significantly smoother frequency response.

I have a pair of the later JBL L-110 which uses a 10" woofer, a similar5" midrange, and a 1" dome tweeter. It has a fifteen elementcrossover network and doesn't sound much like the L-100. The L-110 was a 10year later design (1978-80)than the L-100 and it shows the design trends thatwere going on.

As you probably know, the L-100 was the consumerversion of the 4310 professional control monitor. The L-110 was the consumerversion of the 4313. JBL continued to have a 12" monitor in the 4311,4312,and 4412 until fairly recently, but they had the mid and tweeter tightlyclustered near the woofer for near field listening.

To answer your question more directly, some of thebetter tower designs from Paradigm, Revel, Monitor, or PSB might get somethingthat you'd like the sound from and would cost under $2000/pair. However, theywon't sound like the L-100.

Jerry



我简单翻一下:
L100当年卖价550美金,距今35年余,以今天生活指数比约5:1算, 即要2,750美金才能做今天的L100(是指全新的).
今天做箱观点也不接受这2平方尺的鞋合, 定当以数个小低音组合成高纤箱体.
技术在变: 以前用两个无极电解就搞定高, 中分频;新设计一定用上更多元件, 那电位器肯定不能留下; 新设计会加入丝娟园顶高音, 取更平滑高音频响.
我有对L110(见图), 是个10寸3路,15个分频元件, 虽然这箱比L100晚10年,但刚好见证设计的潮向.
每个都知L100是4310的民用版,而L110即是4313的民用版,JBL只延续12寸在其4311,4312, 4412 (还有更新的4318, 4319呢)系列,新款的再保留早期紧溱单元排列, 强调近场监听之效.
容我直接解答主题吧, 新做的高身音箱如Paradigm, Revel, Monitor Audio, PSB, 均有2,000美金好声之选, 但可惜无一对靓过L100!
杰尼
发表于01/02/2011

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i886

无人顶?  自顶起来~ [s:6]

补充楼上:  JBL L100 当年 MSRP: USD 550, 厂商建议的零售价格
大多折扣店 Discount Audio 可打 8折, 量贩折扣还可 7.5折, 清积存货更低 7折 . ..  得加当地零售税!

cbcbbbbb

楼主：我建议你卖掉手上那几对单元，买JBL的成品箱，JBL白盆低音永远赶不上它家的黑盆的声音，4311是对不错的古董箱，你看那张大图片就知道它高音的泡沫高度是比振膜高出2~3mm才是原厂设计，才会出好声，否则出来的声音是干硬的，还有4313B是一对很不错的小箱，066的高音，它的低音和4344的中音所用振盆材料是一致的，它就是当年的称为迷尔版的4344，声音是我听过JBL球顶高音最优秀的一款，而不是钛膜球顶高音，JBL 12寸书架箱最优秀的作品当属4425MK2，我的另一个朋友上了它之后立马卖掉手中的15寸L200，优秀的分频技术和素质过硬的喇叭单元是它取胜的法宝，声音整体胜出，是一对不可多得的好箱。

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i886

感谢CBC师姐的交流~
我是新派声的拥护者, 动态凌厉是我必要的; 纸盘高音不是我杯茶.  我是个diy友, 自作自淫, 想花点点钱获取大大娱乐!  多谢师姐推介克色盘单元, 我喜买盘, 但这东西是可遇以不可求, 日后会注视你说的单元:victory: Thanks!
白纸盘(又名白面书生)虽然短冲程, 但觉还是个好盘.  JBL跨了40年还在生产, 新的 4318, 4319 就用钕磁 2213Nd.  有人会说白面书生比较清淡, 我就用两个加独立箱腔, 配丹拿高音做落地箱.
我又听过手上的LE10A, 低频量无白面书生多, 但惊奇的有较多低频泛音.  这个配小号角高音, 做3路书架箱.
我的声音取向, 希望师姐看得明!  请继续发言啊~ [s:68]

masterworks

说说4312A呗

auv123

看着确实是很YY啊

i886

原帖由 安全很重要 于 2011-7-25 15:30 发表
要涨潮了

有水鱼......

好啊, 水多不缺好啊~ [s:20]
鱼更要水, 无水点成水鱼?

i886

多谢支持~ [s:68]
4312 代表一个黑暗的年代.  JBL 有无钱挣, 只有吃黄莲者自己才知道.  要说4312那个年代, 不能三言两语啊!
Masterwork 师兄请继读支持, 还得先说L100 Century如何风光呢?

i886

[s:37]y. .y . .. tell me why, 最好大家一齐来 y y ~ [s:97] [s:97]

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